"Slaves were the promised booty from Allah and obtaining them was a strong motivation for jihad."Islam's genocidal attitude toward all non Muslims, and indeed, sometimes within Muslims, is as historical as it has been brutal. Historically, slavery had been another part of the genocidal attitude of "the religion of peace". The genocide in the Darfur region is an instant reminder of the brutal history of Islam and its legacy of slavery - during which time Muslims had also destroyed historical Buddhist structures in Afghanistan in a display of utter disregard for other faiths. Muslims vehemently deny the ugly parts of Islam's history, even those on whose lands it might have occurred, to protect the religion's fabled image of "saviour". In the end, the truth shall set you free - but why are we afraid of the truth even if its initially abrasive?
Islam has bloody past (and possibly present, depending on loyalty) and always will.
Muslims won't acknowledge today's genocidal calls emanating from their religion, even if they're discreetly supportive of their Muslims "brothers'" actions. It would be foolish to expect they would admit past acts of genocide and slavery as per Islam, the flawless religion of all religions, with the mad mob, as it were. Here, an article explains what has been widely known to be true of Islam's slave trade in India and the surrounding region.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT_RSDeAYjI
ReplyDeleteA series of videos talking about the same topic.
Even with Islam's terrible history of slavery and violence in that region and beyond, I wonder where would one rank Islam and Hindus and Buddhists on a chronology of development - apart from (2) significantly more sophisticated and better developed than any Muslims (which they generally are)?
ReplyDeleteAll groups have experienced slavery at one time or another throughout history. However, Islamic slavery is seemingly broader and brute.
Not many people know or understand that when Muhammad began cobbling his version of Islam together, from random snippets of verbal performances (in various market places he visited) of the Old and New Testaments he generally did not properly understand what he had picked up but simply regurgitated his own version of it for his own convenience.
The end result was that Muhammad ended up resurrecting some very barbaric and, even by the 7th century, already completely obsolete ideas and practices such as stoning for "unlawful" sex, and owning women as simple property, that everyone around him had already long abandoned.
You could therefore argue convincingly that Muhammad led his already quite primitive and extremely ignorant followers right back to the bronze age, or even earlier, and they have not progressed or rehabilitated themselves significantly since.
Having a history "only" going back 1,400 years (though completely plagiarised from other people's vastly older ones) is absolutely NO EXCUSE or reason for being generally violent, bigoted, illogical, deceitful and hateful people who obsessively believe in their own superiority at the expense of all other people in the world.
I would like some clarification as to how Islam's version of slavery is "broader and brute" in comparison with other groups in the same time period.
ReplyDeleteDid you read the article?
ReplyDeleteI'm asking you for clarification from primary text commanding or condoning brutality.
ReplyDeleteI doubt any text, whether concerning the current mass murder in the Islamic world or Islam's slavery, would change your religious views one iota. Essentially killing any chance for serious and coherent discussion. The "religion of peace" has to be constantly defended by its followers for its illogical and insane thoecratic principles. The pressumed 270 million deaths Islam committed since its inception would trump talk of "broader and brutal" Islamic slavery. An emotionally rambunctious "debate" after which you refer to me as "ignorant." Followed by vitriol, if not threats. Islamist standard operating procedure.
ReplyDeleteI pressume that is not the reason I'm being asked the question. Muslims are always the victims and denied their "rights." People that had fled oppression, war, poverty, and other horrors from the - seeminlgy never wrong - Islamic world are responsible for this. They would not want to live in Islamic nations on account of theocratic rule, with fascist, sexist, racist, corrupt, socially inept, violent, and with gross human rights record.
"I would like some clarification as to how Islam's version of slavery is "broader and brute" in comparison with other groups in the same time period." - I don't think "comparison" is relevant.
Weird.
"I'm asking you for clarification from primary text commanding or condoning brutality." - You were!?!
I thought it was about "comparison." Silly me.
Ok.
ReplyDelete1) You don't know me. Let's just get that outta the way.
That being said, please, feel free to continue to make assumptions about who and what I am whilst side-stepping any questions I might ask.
I apologize for not being crystal clear, so I will try again.
On what have you based your claim that Islam is brutal?
a) Muslims
b) the Qu'ran and authentic/accurate sunan
c) individual opinions (not your own)
d) your own opinion (not (a) or (b) but more of a "gut feeling")
You can pick one and expound on it or go ahead and state your reasoning.
Do you believe that Islamic practices are more brutal* than say, caste system or Aztec human sacrifice or crucifixion. I realize you are an atheist and might claim that all religions are brutal and my follow-up question would be, why Islam? Why does it occupy a special place in your heart?
*I don't believe Islam is brutal or that there is an acceptable threshold of brutality.
Btw, do you mind if I reproduce this on my blog?
ReplyDeleteCount today's deaths in Islam. The number killed in my home country alone would give you the best answer. By all means, go right ahead and repost.
ReplyDeleteRegards
Aaaah. I see. A round-about way of answering my question. How did you know that I love riddles?
ReplyDeleteSo you are judging Islam based on one sect of Muslim extremists living in abject poverty? I grew up in a 3rd world country and you know as well as I do that poverty, frustration and greed are the main driving forces in those nations. Not religion.
To quote you, "I doubt any text...would change your religious views one iota."
Very little chance of reasonable debate here.
ReplyDeleteI swear to the local chocolate producers' association that I am NOT psychoanalizing you at all! Although such paranoi or (hopefully) sarcarm horribly gone wrong is amusing. :-)
"So you are judging Islam based on one sect of Muslim extremists living in abject poverty? I grew up in a 3rd world country and you know as well as I do that poverty, frustration and greed are the main driving forces in those nations. Not religion." - No judging, we're were discussing Islamic slavery being brute turn to war discussion. Basically, proving my earlier "assumptions" regarding the outcome this sort of debate and its ending. Strangely, we're unable to establish as to what constitutes a "debate".
And for that..free Quran quote, just for you!
Quran 43:"12 And who created the pairs/kinds all of them, and He created for you from the ship/ships and the camels/livestock what you ride/board." - In other words, according to the Quran, ships are made by Allah, not people!
Where did I mention psychoanalysis? I merely stated that you don't know my background and therefore are not qualified to make assumptions about me. That was about 2 responses ago. Try and keep up.
ReplyDeleteI was referring to brutality itself. Brutality in war, slavery etc.
I'm really trying to see the connection between ships and violence. Er, slave ships, pirates? Still not sure how ships are directly tied to violence.
Honestly, this has not been as informative as I'd like. If you were not hell-bent on proving that my beliefs are ridiculous maybe we could have a meaningful conversation.
I doubt either of us has the desire and/or energy to continue our...dialogue, for lack of a better word.